Thoughts on the Lancer Ralliart Sportback ?

"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
09/18/2014 at 19:18 • Filed to: None

Does Oppo like it?

DISCUSSION (39)

No Prius Needed > My citroen won't start
09/18/2014 at 19:21

Kinja'd!!!

nope

Steve in Manhattan > My citroen won't start
09/18/2014 at 19:24

Yeah - I'd put different wheels on it, but it's chunky in the right places. Like Queen Latifah.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > My citroen won't start
09/18/2014 at 19:27

As an idea? Yes.

As a car? Nope. It's like a Subaru WRX hatchback...only worse in every conceivable way. It's why you see so many of them.

Steve in Manhattan > My citroen won't start
09/18/2014 at 19:28

Oh yeah!

Kinja'd!!!

Kanaric > My citroen won't start
09/18/2014 at 19:28

You can convert it easily to EVOX spec engine wise and be within autocross rules due to them being on the same line with the evo. A local guy did that.

You have a far better engine than a subaru does.

Downsides? No manual. DCT is slower than EVO's but not by much. Heavier than a EVO or WRX or STI.

Kanaric > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
09/18/2014 at 19:29

No ringland failure, 4B11T >>>>> any Subaru boxer.

Jayhawk Jake > My citroen won't start
09/18/2014 at 19:29

I like the idea of it, but from what I've heard it's literally just a basic lancer in fancy dress. Do not want

CAPTDALE > My citroen won't start
09/18/2014 at 19:30

SLIGHTLY

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Kanaric
09/18/2014 at 19:30

That is not nearly a good enough reason for me.

Kanaric > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
09/18/2014 at 19:31

Two of my friends having ringland failure is why I sold my WRX. If you are driving being constantly afraid your engine can go at any minute the car becomes pointless. If you ever felt like that then you know that's all the reason you need.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Kanaric
09/18/2014 at 19:34

I personally wouldn't turn away a car that has been immensely popular and legendarily reliable (as well as an all-around good car) just because it's possible something might break someday. I drive an old Audi, that shit just doesn't scare me anymore.

And I certainly wouldn't go pick a Lancer Sportback instead.

Kanaric > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
09/18/2014 at 19:39

It's not legendary reliability that subaru is known for. Like if you were to discuss Subaru on GRM for example everyone would bring up the engine issues. My Friend was a Ford/Lincoln/Mercury mechanic then went to a Subaru mechanic and he said they at one time had 7 of them in AT THE SAME TIME for engine failure and had 3 or 4 every month. He said that it was far worse than even the V8 SHO

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Kanaric
09/18/2014 at 19:40

I don't know what a GRM is.

Kanaric > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
09/18/2014 at 19:42

http://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/

It's a grassroots racing forum, most of the people there build cars from the ground up. 08+ era WRX and STI are on most people's avoid list there. Even using it as a donor engine, they all go for the 2.0 or the earlier STI 2.5.

What's funny is the people who ran the site even picked up a WRX for a autocross build and even it had an engine failure AT ITS FIRST AUTOCROSS

My citroen won't start > sm70- why not Duesenberg?
09/18/2014 at 19:48

The only place these sold well was Switzerland, I saw loads of them there.

spanfucker retire bitch > My citroen won't start
09/18/2014 at 19:49

It's aesthetically pleasing from the exterior. The rest? Well, my Mother taught me that if I don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all, so I'll just leave it at that.

My citroen won't start > Kanaric
09/18/2014 at 19:49

Is it worse than the STI in every possible way?

My citroen won't start > Steve in Manhattan
09/18/2014 at 19:50

Why?

My citroen won't start > Jayhawk Jake
09/18/2014 at 19:50

The engine is a bit better, but I guess thats all.

My citroen won't start > Steve in Manhattan
09/18/2014 at 19:51

Why though?

Steve in Manhattan > My citroen won't start
09/18/2014 at 19:52

Dunno - it's like Cate Blanchett - shouldn't work, but it does. Especially if she's wearing the elf ears ....

Kanaric > My citroen won't start
09/18/2014 at 19:52

It's not in the same class or same price range as a STI so of course just like the WRX is. Other than engine reliability. 4B11T also has less lag on larger turbo despite the extra .5 displacement that Subaru has, probably has more to do with exhaust manifold design than anything.

Is a BOSS 302 better than a Mustang GT in every possible way?

Steve in Manhattan > Kanaric
09/18/2014 at 19:54

Hmmm - had a V8 SHO for near 100K, never a problem (ran it on Mobil 1 if that makes a difference). The issue I've heard about most with Subarus is piston slap, but you might be able to educate me.

Kanaric > Jayhawk Jake
09/18/2014 at 19:56

Well you have the EVO9 AWD system, the DCT from the Evo X with a different TCU, the same 4B11T as the EVO X.....

Kanaric > My citroen won't start
09/18/2014 at 19:57

The engine is literally the same block, part numbers and all, as from the EVOX, it's more than a bit better.

Steve in Manhattan > My citroen won't start
09/18/2014 at 19:59

I can't explain it - if why different wheels, I think it would look better if you could see something filling the wheel wells. Maybe if I saw one in the metal I'd feel differently - can we even get them here in US America?

Kanaric > Steve in Manhattan
09/18/2014 at 20:02

Basically the issue with Subarus is three fold. The first is the tunes. Their tunes are so notoriously bad that people were having severe knock issues on US premium stock. General consensus on subaru forums was that you would be more reliable with a tune downloaded from the internet. This was confirmed when Subaru even issued a recall over it in the southwestern states due to the 91 premium here. However people out east, the people I know with ringland failures, all have this issue too.

Then you have issues with oiling, people routinely have failures at the track due to this. Then you have the ringland failure issues which results from a combination of this plus the fact they have regular cast pistons. The V7 STI engines people swap in don't have this problem at all and are known for being super reliable, but laggy. Just look up WRX or STI ringland failure on google. You will get lots of information.

https://www.google.com/search?q=why+a…

My citroen won't start > Steve in Manhattan
09/18/2014 at 20:07

Yeah, but they never sold well so they are quite rare.

My citroen won't start > Kanaric
09/18/2014 at 20:08

I'll edit that haha.

Steve in Manhattan > Kanaric
09/18/2014 at 20:09

Astonishing that, on a Car Talk call I heard, guy asked C&C whether to use a Subaru engine in his kit plane (which apparently people did all the time) or the old-fashioned (I think it's called a) reciprocating engine. Eventually Ray told the guy to stick with the time honored method that had worked pretty well up until now. If you put a Subaru engine in a plane, sounds like you better pick the right one.

Kanaric > Steve in Manhattan
09/18/2014 at 20:13

This is a issue with 08-14 WRXs not early, and especially not 2.0l ones.

Also the car talk guys are notorious in mechanic circles for talking out their ass.

Giles007 > My citroen won't start
09/18/2014 at 20:15

I really like it. Looks and all. Its an awd hatchback with some pep and way cheaper than an EVO. I cant believe that there's so much hate towards these!

Kanaric > My citroen won't start
09/18/2014 at 20:19

It's why in SP in Autocross that all you need to do is swap over some EVOX parts. They are even on the same line because of it, same line in SCCA Autocross means you can "update or backdate" so long as you swap over all the same part numbers. Since the engine block is the same part numbers as the EvoX then within the rules you just need to swap over a few things. I forget what they are but iirc the intake manifold and the turbocharger are two of them. It's generally not considered worth it though, usually people will just upgrade the turbo to something else, however for autocross it is if you want to be able to compete in the SP category. I think they are in ASP now.

Steve in Manhattan > My citroen won't start
09/18/2014 at 20:21

It's like I hated the whole 4-door coupe concept when it came along, but I like the Audi A7 - it's a handsome car. And yet I hate the CLS . I also hate whatever BMW came up with in that class - just horrible. In the end, it comes down to personal preference. I'm sure lots of people bought Azteks because of their rugged good looks (sorry, just threw up a little in my mouth).

No Prius Needed > My citroen won't start
09/18/2014 at 20:24

I didn't see a single one when I was there. Golfs. Golfs everywhere.

Dusty Ventures > My citroen won't start
09/18/2014 at 20:28

I have a secret desire to acquire one and swap in an Evo X engine, drivetrain, and suspension.

My citroen won't start > No Prius Needed
09/18/2014 at 20:29

Bentleys in Zurich, Sportbacks in Aargau, Golfs everywhere and many Alfas 159.

Steve in Manhattan > Kanaric
09/18/2014 at 20:37

And they often said as much ...

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > My citroen won't start
09/19/2014 at 09:42

The concept was great:

Kinja'd!!!